A little racism with your tea?

Only in comunism some are more equal then others. To be US prezident you must be born on US soil. Obama was not born in US soil, otherwise he would show the birth certificate. Why do I have to show when I am employed all my documents and Obama not?

The law at the time stated that the parent had to have been of legal age for 5 years (she had to have been 23) for the child to be a natural born citizen, as opposed to a naturalized citizen.
The difference in rights consists of: the ability to be president and maybe two other really minor things.

To me it is just more evidence that nobody is minding the store. The "press" in this country is not worthy of the name.

If you want real news, search the internet or the foreign press, or maybe smaller town papers. The MSM is dealing us a globalist agenda. The Council on Foreign Relations has controlled the presidency for years. They still do.
The last president took your constitutional rights away in order to fight a perpetual war on terror. This new one wants to keep that nifty new rule, and start a "national volunteer" force to rival the armed forces.

ALL the races just want to be FREE. Our soldiers cannot FREE anyone else.

hello, fellow whites!

Thanks for having a discussion about racism. as another white (and male), i thought i'd jump in on your conversation. One good thing about Abe and Joe's show, which I like, is it provides steady access to the thoughts of white males, which are difficult to find these days, lol.

personally, i find it hard to take seriously any white male who says he is not "one bit racist". If you talk to or listen to people of color, you will pretty quickly realize how many assumptions are made about nonwhite communities. This is a reflection of the normalization of whiteness which almost all whites and nonwhites are brought up with. any reflective person, white or not, should see that this culture normalizes whiteness. and that's not just racist, but also white supremecist. a white doesn't need to actively hate people of color to hold these values, and may never even realize them until actually hanging out with or listening to a non white person. but, if you're white, don't take my word for it - try hanging out with or listening to a nonwhite person for a while. bring your experience to the table.

But, following this logic, you'd want to say to me.. well, so what? we're all a little bit racist, right? Well.. kind of, but not in the same way. For starters, we definitely do want to leave a special place at the table for the whites who hate non whites. there are haters, for sure, and there are silent haters, and some very loud ones. There are dormant haters who haven't realized their hate because they live in a comfortable "color blind" environment. There are nonwhites who internalize the white supremacy of this culture, but they hold racist values in a very different way than me, or Abe, or Michael. It's one thing to think someone is less good cuz of how they look, but a completely other thing to think of yourself as less good because of how you look.

So, this is where I kind of agree with Michael C. - Abe might be a little loose in naming tea party as "racists". Not because they aren't, but because it's not specific enough for us to discriminate between a hater and your average white who has done very little reflection on the experiences of nonwhites. Eliminating racist attitudes is a process, not a state of being. These two hypothetical people are products of racist and white supremacist thinking, but they require very different approaches to move them further toward the justice end of the continuum.

Just generally speaking, anytime you claim the identity of another person, especially when you're generalizing onto any group, you can get yourself in trouble. Because if someone doesn't identify the way you name them, they will assert their auto-nomy - they claim the human right to name themselves. Add into this the difficulty of separating out the racist and white supremacist values all americans have internalized to some degree or another, and the lack of experience that most whites have in talking about their whiteness or reflecting on nonwhite experiences, and you're just picking a fight that push the michael c. of the world further into his personal experience. racism - 1, justice - 0

so the first reason to avoid labeling anyone as racist that doesn't cop to it is because it's imprecise, and the second reason is because it doesn't work - because of the privilege of whites to avoid interacting with nonwhites, it probably only actually only advances racism by further pushing the whites who most need to examine their profoundly racist assumptions towards those who understand them - other whites who hate liberals.

Abe, i'd suggest talking about the haters - those are the ones who will admit and proclaim their racist attitudes. It seems legitimate to hate the haters, although I know some people of color who do antiracist work say they appreciate an active racist than a nice liberal who thinks he's "not one bit racist" so much denial of reality there! You could possibly talk about the racist and white supremacist attitudes reflected in these signs, and even more, in so many things taken for granted in our daily white life... start the discussion there, and you might get some revealing information from non liberal whites who will admit (perhaps before you will) that they hold some attitudes which sound "a little bit prejudiced". We can all use a little humility on this point.

and michael c., why not do a little research? please don't try talking to a nonwhite yet - you're not racist enough yet. when you get a little more racist, you'll have earned this ability to share. Fortunately, you can read about racism, and you won't hurt anyone. Realize that every brown knows a whole lot more about whites than most whites will ever know about browns. that's one way of understanding you are looking at a relationship of oppression - only the privileged have the luxury to forget.

try this humorous and painfully accurate awareness exercist by our own local damali ayo, doing great work in this area:

http://damaliayo.com/pdfs/12whitestepsWeb.pdf

have fun, and kill ignorance!

ps - oh, and right, you know, taxes are problematic, but things like clean water aren't really profit bearing endeavors. good discussion fellas.

patrik kilpatrik
kboo volunteer

I felt a bit different. I liked the Bush Protests a lot better. People at this protest were not very active, they brought there kids, there was no beer or anything. I remember at the world trade protest we all had fun! Nothing like a good old but kicking party while protesting. These conservatives don't know how to protest!

One of the problems you Obama supporters have is you don't think past your own prejudices. He only won by less than 53% of the vote. That means that out of every 100 people only 6 more voted for him than an incredibly weak candidate in McCain. Of those who did vote for him, how many were just voting against George Bush? How many voted for him just because he was black? How many were young voters who have never paid taxes or ran a business or even have had a job? Who voted for a guy who never ran a business, met a payroll and voted "present" 150 times. McCain received 59 million votes. 59 million! I wouldn't be too smug if I were you. Those people at those rallys weren't picked up and dropped off by Acorn,
they are a force to be reckoned with and will be heard at every level at mid -term elections